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PATCH Patch Notes for April 22, 2021

Xanthar

Neophyte
Is there a point of hiding idoc status when its announced at the server level anyway?
i guess to give less time to have everyone ready with the change, no one will really know when its gonna turn so they would only have 15 minutes to rally the troops vs....a two week heads up of an exact window so they can have max numbers.....if ppl dont know an idoc is happening maybe they will be showering or out doing something and not get to login quick enough even if they are monitoring discord on there phone
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
i guess to give less time to have everyone ready with the change, no one will really know when its gonna turn so they would only have 15 minutes to rally the troops vs....a two week heads up of an exact window so they can have max numbers.....if ppl dont know an idoc is happening maybe they will be showering or out doing something and not get to login quick enough even if they are monitoring discord on there phone
thats idocing lol if you miss it you miss it thats how its always been and its not "2 weeks to rally the troops" because half the time i cant even get enough reds online or its at 2am+ and im not logging in for that.. its the fact that no one puts in the work and expects to get spoonfed by the admins because they dont want to put in effort to find/time/join guilds etc
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
loot is not great there is a 33% that the good loot thats even worth the time to do idocs for players who want the loot is gone and you just wasted your time to go to an idoc for some recall scrolls and some leather! nice!
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if for example my house fell that 33% of decayed loot is MASSIVE and you losing that chance in getting anything worth value is gone.. if i quit and this house fell i would want EVERYONE to have a chance in getting loot and have fun for the 1-2 hours of pvp.. noobs wouldnt be able to get here so there idea to make it easier for new players is out the window, because they need a boat or pray someone is opening a gate.. long story short the idocing system is 100% ruined and is a waste of everyones times to even attend because the loot thats worth anything is more then likely wiped from existance and you come out of it with a now 15-2hour wait to place a house which you would be repeatedly killed if its a massive plot so small guilds still wouldnt get a plot
 

Laughing Skull

Journeyman
loot is not great there is a 33% that the good loot thats even worth the time to do idocs for players who want the loot is gone and you just wasted your time to go to an idoc for some recall scrolls and some leather! nice!
if for example my house fell that 33% of decayed loot is MASSIVE and you losing that chance in getting anything worth value is gone.. if i quit and this house fell i would want EVERYONE to have a chance in getting loot and have fun for the 1-2 hours of pvp.. noobs wouldnt be able to get here so there idea to make it easier for new players is out the window, because they need a boat or pray someone is opening a gate.. long story short the idocing system is 100% ruined and is a waste of everyones times to even attend because the loot thats worth anything is more then likely wiped from existance and you come out of it with a now 15-2hour wait to place a house which you would be repeatedly killed if its a massive plot so small guilds still wouldnt get a plot
I'm trying to hear you out man, but all I'm hearing is greed. They gave some good reasons why the loot was changed -- including the health and longevity of the server. 33% of a boatload is still a boatload.
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
Get over it man, PvP will still be there. Just get a group within 15 minutes of the announcement. Loot is still great, just 1/3 what it used to be.

You mean, letting a script run? I question your definition of work....
sure people can script and its a total legal thing but i personally run around and click every sign like a nerd cause thats what im used to doing.. but sure lets talk about script checking then ya its perfectly legal and ANYONE has access to do it which makes it 10x easier for non bigger guilds to get into idocing, youre just making my point.. but people would rather complain then even attempt to put any effort in, such as creating there own idocing guild, making there guild do idocs, find people to pvp etc just rather complain and get spoonfed
 

Lemora

Apprentice
They gave some good reasons why the loot was changed -- including the health and longevity of the server.
Sorry but this is false. More items are created in farming on this server in a busy evening hour than existing items that fall out of an IDOC. Plus this ignores the fact the house gets replaced and filled with new farming stuff. This argument only works with some sort of plot deletion or shrinkage of housing space effort, although that isnt needed either, just to show the point. IDOC loot solving item load is fallacious. Let alone 33%, hence my comment it doesnt seem to be the point at all. There was no problem, and this doesnt solve any problems that could have existed either.
 

Laughing Skull

Journeyman
sure people can script and its a total legal thing but i personally run around and click every sign like a nerd cause thats what im used to doing.. but sure lets talk about script checking then ya its perfectly legal and ANYONE has access to do it which makes it 10x easier for non bigger guilds to get into idocing, youre just making my point.. but people would rather complain then even attempt to put any effort in, such as creating there own idocing guild, making there guild do idocs, find people to pvp etc just rather complain and get spoonfed
You're shifting the original argument. One of your complaints against this change is that checking house signs took "work." I was calling you out that the "work" requirement wasn't true. It is mostly a scripted endeavor, a monotonous task at best. Now a larger selection of people may participate in these events.
 

Laughing Skull

Journeyman
Sorry but this is false. More items are created in farming on this server in a busy evening hour than existing items that fall out of an IDOC. Plus this ignores the fact the house gets replaced and filled with new farming stuff. This argument only works with some sort of plot deletion or shrinkage of housing space effort, although that isnt needed either, just to show the point. IDOC loot solving item load is fallacious. Let alone 33%, hence my comment it doesnt seem to be the point at all. There was no problem, and this doesnt solve any problems that could have existed either.
I don't think anyone said this one change will solve all problems. It is merely a small step towards addressing the problem -- 33% item deletion & Gold leaving the economy through the lottery process. Win-win!
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
I don't think anyone said this one change will solve all problems. It is merely a small step towards addressing the problem -- 33% item deletion & Gold leaving the economy through the lottery process. Win-win!

but its not a win win though because you can just get the same amount if not more from just farming now instead of even wasting your time at idocs.. you fill all that deletion back up with items farmed from dungeons etc.. youre telling me youre going to sit at an idoc thats say a wagon with 1-5 chests and maybe a shelf for an hour+ and maybe come out with something and by a maybe its a fucking high maybe when you can double your loot/money earned from just farming lol the gold/item sink is terrible and should just do an outlands clean system that you can hand unwanted scrolls/cores/balls/items etc etc etc for event points that you can switch for rare items (the more points the more rare)

when you have people who dont even idoc saying the changes are whack and the patch is garbage you know you fucked up
 
This was from the beginning a subject bound to spark fierce argument. I still think the solution implemented by the devs is good for the economy of the server (and consequential for us all), especially the lottery and the 33% deleted items. The idoc-er crows will have now to fight only for 33% of the items and for the plot itself.
Good change, I'll say.
 

Lemora

Apprentice
scripted endeavor, a monotonous task at best. Now a larger selection of people may participate in these events.
Ah, youre one of those "everyone doing X thing I dont do and/or dont like is scripting" types. All makes sense now.

Also finding signs and the actual fighting of an idoc are two different things, which you confuse in this quote.
 

Laughing Skull

Journeyman
but its not a win win though because you can just get the same amount if not more from just farming now instead of even wasting your time at idocs..
This same logic applied before the patch as well. Half the items in those wagon idocs were a waste of time anyway. I could farm more in an hour than I could get from item drops from them. This is irrelevant to the patch.
you fill all that deletion back up with items farmed from dungeons etc..
This will happen regardless, again irrelevant.

IDOCS are a gamble. 33% of a boatload is still a boatload. 33% of crap is still crap.
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
have either of you even attempted to idoc? i bet not youre one of the people who just sit and complain because you refuse to join a guild/put in effort etc to even get plots/items/fight.. idocing is endgame content so i guess lets change everyones omnis so it can be easier for everyone

BoRMoTuHa (Артём) — Today at 4:21 PM no more IDOCs because of CoM... soon will be no Ocean bosses and Ocean content because of CoM again
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and thats a fact.. everyone gets changed because people want to complain instead of attempting to put effort or collect a group of players or even join a group to take part in the endgame content

Shit new players and smaller guilds cant compete but instead of putting any effort in we will just complain instead till the dev's get on our side and change everything for the pvmers
 
have either of you even attempted to idoc? i bet not youre one of the people who just sit and complain because you refuse to join a guild/put in effort etc to even get plots/items/fight.. idocing is endgame content so i guess lets change everyones omnis so it can be easier for everyone
How is IDOC end game content? A PVP character is the cheapest character to make. No Aspect? Sounds pretty cheap to me
 

Laughing Skull

Journeyman
BoRMoTuHa (Артём) — Today at 4:21 PM no more IDOCs because of CoM... soon will be no Ocean bosses and Ocean content because of CoM again

and thats a fact.. everyone gets changed because people want to complain instead of attempting to put effort or collect a group of players or even join a group to take part in the endgame content

Shit new players and smaller guilds cant compete but instead of putting any effort in we will just complain instead till the dev's get on our side and change everything for the pvmers
Any guild in control of IDOCs now will still remain in control of them. This patch doesn't change that fact.

33% item and gold removal is a good thing - regardless what your greed says.
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
IDOCS are a gamble. 33% of a boatload is still a boatload. 33% of crap is still crap.
and why wouldnt you want it all to fall? gives every player a chance at getting an item/chest etc worth some gold ?? but now sure lets say a boatload idoc falls 33% chance that all the good shit is gone and a waste of everyones time so now they sit on junk and wait 15-2hours to try and get a placement and if its a placement worth mils they arent getting it either way because they will just get overrun by the bigger guilds such as the hood/sof/syn alliance and com which solves nothing because it just ends up being the same concept of people will complain because they didnt get placement even with all the handouts they get
 

Lemora

Apprentice
BoRMoTuHa (Артём) — Today at 4:21 PM no more IDOCs because of CoM... soon will be no Ocean bosses and Ocean content because of CoM again
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View attachment 5540and thats a fact.. everyone gets changed because people want to complain instead of attempting to put effort or collect a group of players or even join a group to take part in the endgame content

Shit new players and smaller guilds cant compete but instead of putting any effort in we will just complain instead till the dev's get on our side and change everything for the pvmers
Yeah, this is what I was afraid of and alluding to in my first post. I do not use discord and do no follow the politics normally, but what it seems like to me since there is no issue being solved. "Pop the ball and leave the court"
 

3ATKHUCb

Novice
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Shocker another person who this the patch is garbage

Shanyu/Hubbub/Wizard would go as 3 or so and had NO ISSUE in securing loot/house placements etc against the bigger guilds.. they put effort in and they were a small guild so what is everyones elses excuse besdies the fact they want to bitch?